I think Tien is probably stronger, but Krillin is more agile. ?lolYou just got your dumb theory destroyed, logically gravity wasn't an issue,plus vegeta was training in 150 after mastering 300 in those 7 years.Vegeta is the only one using gravity,because he is the only character at the time who can surpass goku.You got obliterated put back together so I could obliterate you again!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly over 1 million!!!!!!!!!!! After that, he used the Room of Spirit and Time which is far superior to the Gravity room anyways. After the Cell Games Krillin stopped training and got married. Depends on what you think of criticism. Despite that, two humans, Krillin and Tien have stayed at the forefront of the battles that defined Dragon Ball Z. Tien really is stronger. High Gravity training has been clearly shown to aid immensely.Answer:Do you enjoy being made to look stupid?? In dbz Toriyama had to make the heroes get. Still, I must ask why in the blue hell would you think Krillin is stronger than Tien? Krillin was easily defeated by Zangya and Tien was easily defeated by Bido & Bujin. he has physical idiosyncrasies that can't be considered that of an Earthling, such as splitting into four people, and growing arms from his shoulders. Ask yourself this: If Ten wasn't standing right next to them do you really think Piccolo would have flown down to wherever Ten was and made the same offer? Tien was even victorious in his fight with the heroes, breaking Yamcha's leg and eventually defeating Goku in the final match. I want be too hard on you guys, because I once thought the same thing. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe. Nail however is a whopping 42K. Roshi admits it's only because he had the height advantage that he won, because Goku was a lot stronger than Roshi. Yamcha was either busy getting blown up, impaled, or having his leg broken to do anything and all krillin ever did was babysit. ,but Popo also trained Goku to combat Piccolo who was the main villain at the time. Before the Saiyan arc weighted clothing was the ultimate thing in personal training. 28 Stronger: Pan Via Dragon Ball Super (Episode 43) He has the power and capabilities to do some serious damage to the planet as that of a nuclear atomic bomb. No one that weak would be strong enough to be slapped around that much.Goku was kicking the shit out of 19 before he absorbed anything. like Goku not improving nothing when he trained in DB. Krillin could lift him and his 500pound boulder using a single finger. Or Future Trunks being implied to get over 50x stronger in three years with no partners and regular Earth conditions.Trunks claims after 3 years has gone he is stronger than Gohan, so Trunks in base and SSJ have become more than 50x stronger during those 3 years. During the fight with the saiyans krillin is stronger but the difference is slight. Not to mention, nail's nonchalance seems to be part of his character. To get to 1,500,000, he'd have to increase his power by 500,000.Answer:Are you fucking retarded??? Tien trained until the end of the buu saga AT LEAST. Archived. Krillin has been said to be stronger than Tien. Kaio's training is that good.Tenshinhan always has shown that he could make leaps in power in a short amount of time. Akira Toriyama stated that Krillin is stronger but this is a huge plot hole because Krillin has no feats on his side. Probably, it would be something like we saw when Krillin fought Goku when he was recruiting him for the Tournament. Basically whoever manages to land a hit first. Tien with his Neo Tri Beam was able to push back Semi Perfect Cell which Krillin would be unable to do. Piccolo couldn't keep up with him so Goku has nothing to do with Piccolo's increase. In the Bojack movie Tien was on par with Trunks while Krillin was too busy being scared by the fact that Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta, and Gohan were in the tournament. Everyone increases faster than ever!There is no exception for the humans who improved 732% in a few months aftertraining with Kami,the same happens again when they train with Kaio-sama or by themselves for the Android saga.It is obvious that Goku and Piccolo are better,but Piccolowas a Namek and Gohan a sayajin in the sayan saga and they were close to the humans.What some guys are saying is that Piccolowithout nail couldn't reach the millions and that is retarded.Now put that in your pipe and smoke it DUMBASS!!! Follow me on Twitter- Thundershot75. And on that note as well, are there any humans stronger than they are? In the Bojack movie Tien was on par with Trunks while Krillin was too busy being scared by the fact that Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta, and Gohan were in the tournament. I’ll quickly tell you why now. 1. Tenshinhan versus Krillin/ Who is stronger. You should be used to it by now.lolDumb MFG memberThey had different training. According to their retarded logic.Goku should have 40.000 after his training with Kaioh-Sama(king Kai). It goes beyond his background and training. These 40-tons are ridiculous for many reasons.Plus, daizenshuu (and manga) suggests that Tenshinhan was in the millions just read what he said when goku was fighting Freeza,then look at kaioken theory according to the Daizenshuu.Piccolo's increased is not due to his fusion with Nail or he would be a match for SSJFP after his fusion with Kami. yeah, tien's a better fighter, people often think Krillin loses a lot because he's weak, but it's mostly because he picks a lot fights with really strong people. Frieza saga Krillin > Tien,Cell saga Tien > Krillins and Buu saga onwards Krillin > Tien for being on more than 10 panels. Even Piccolo said Goku was rushing the battle.Goku was out of breath when they arrived, but when he transformed into SSJ, Tenshinhan was amazed, so we know he's still very powerful and above the power displayed against Trunks 3 years earlier. 42 / Chp. Even during the battle with Buu, he gallantly appears. - Dragon Ball Wiki. i think krillin has more skill, but tien is stronger. Author statements are not relevant. Yes,but,previously Goku, a fucking sayajin, after 8 years of Namek training system on Earth gravity 1 and 1 month in the hiperbolic chamber(room of spirit and time) only managed to improve a few hundreds(260 to 416),so if you apply the same principle. ?He is covered with either scratches, burns, or dirt. Krillin might have been showcased more, but doesn't necessarily mean he is stronger . I mean my god, its higher than most Potara and SSJ3 put together, and in many cases x10 that.Tenshinhan was ready to fight with Goku & Piccolo right in the city, and it would be absurd to even consider he's not flirting with at least a Battle Power over a million in a fight with guys stated to "make Freeza seem like a weakling", as Goku puts it.Tenshinhan went from being outclassed by Old Daimao, to being equal to a weighted Goku after training under Kami/Popo for 3 yrs, who was quite a bit stronger than Young Daimao. in both, heroes become strong enough to face the villains,simply,now the enemies are stronger,therefore everyone needs to improve faster than before. Piccolo couldn't keep up with him so Goku has nothing to do with Piccolo's increase.Base Piccolo during namek battle=1 million and base goku= 3 millions.Again Gohan(the guy with more potential among all the characters) also trained with ssj Goku too and he could not go to ssj level, actually he is mentioned by Piccolo as being close to Tenshinhan and Krillin in power,but on the other hand Piccolo who also trained with ssj goku was comparable to a ssj meaning that ssj goku had nothing to do with Piccolo's increase .You got smashed again!!!!! We've only been told his potential, not much else was shown of him towards the end of the manga. In fact, this is probably one of the biggest debates among fans today. ?lolYou fail, kami is gone, piccolo’s personality is in charge now,and he is not going to make kind suggestions.Owned again!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or does he think he can keep up without even finishing the 100,000 range? What about that Destructo Disk?, that thing was/is insane!. So if you think toriyama/toei have the final say then there is your answer- done deal.If you prefer to go by "feats" or in-universe dialogue/exposition, then it is up for debate. Piccolo respects Ten as a fighter and was willing to give him a chance in the Room of Spirit and Time. 1 genii96 GENIUS. Then it seems like krillin slacks off while tien keeps training. DBZ Debate (Qaamans Land Vs. blackenfist) Explore Wikis; Community Central; Start a Wiki; Search This wiki This wiki All wikis | Sign In Don't have an account? It is funny when humans improve more and faster than Goku in Kami's lookout in a short period of time you say, This scan from the Daizenshuu states that. He saves Dende. I can they did it evrey time in Cell saga where they were that level. don't be an idiot, even in Dragonball Krillin did better against Tien than Yamcha. So theoretically (with a linear relation) Goku in SSJ form, where his PL was about 150 million should be able to train in about 150.000xG! Who is stronger, Krillin or Tien? This is stated in the manga and 158 days on Kaiô-sama's planet= more or less to 3,000 years of training on Earth. 1. Their training was too different to draw comparisons to.AnswerNo, it wasn't, Popo knowledge came from kami and Goku appliedthose teachings during 8 years,in both scenarios they trained to survive and beat powerful foes and save the earth and half of the time tenshin and the gang trained by themselves.Actually the manga shows Tenshin training by himself in Kami's lookout.Krillin against popo,etc. Toriyama: Ah, that’s right. By the time the Tien shinhan saga came along (Yes Tien has his own sage just like piccolo did) Goku was far far stronger than Krillin. Like his best friend Chaozu, he was initially an antagonist in Dragon Ball who debuted during the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament, competing against Goku and his friends. But in spite of that, he tends to end up in a bad way, so I thought, “once in a while, I have to let him be happy,” and had him get married. I think the best thing we can do is go off of what Toriyama said about Krillin being stronger because both Krillin and Tien fight at such a lower level of power. Mastering the shin kikoho brought his raw ki up in a rapid succession. But they can't compete with a ssj,that is different.I'm saying that Ten had several millions by the reasons expressed above including manga and daizenhuu quotes.Dumb MFG old theoryDifferenciating the two is silly.The characters were weak in Dragon Ball and got stronger when, surprise surprise, they began training in 10x gravity, an extreme condition. He only gave Goku a few punches and Goku went off to train with him. User blog:Bio-electricity2/Who is stronger,Tien ,yamcha,or krillin? Tien's speed is so great that makes Yamcha and Krillin not being able to see him at all. That is the reason why the humans improved in a few months from 250 to near 2000 in the Earth. From that point on, Tenshinhan used Kaio's training methods to keep improving faster than ever. Tien is human... And he is stronger than Krillin. Register Start a Wiki 7,606 Pages. Content. Tien or Krillin?!? Post Nov 14, 2008 #13 2008-11-14T15:17. Yes, in more than one source. This other guy? Toriyama: You’re right, he is the strongest among the Earthlings. Yep yep! There was only one Gravity Chamber anyways and Vegeta was using it. Dumb assumption:Also, I don't believe Nail and the other namekians can sense chi as good as the Z Warriors can. Each energy attack in Dragon Ball uses a proportionally-fixed amount of the user's "ki". Despite that, two humans, Krillin and Tien have stayed at the forefront of the battles that defined Dragon Ball Z.Even though they’ve never fought each other directly, we’re going to take a closer look at both fighters to see which one of Earth’s toughest human champions is really stronger. He begins to spectate how strong they've become. For me, the text is all there is. There are people on both sides, but the general consensus is that Krillin is the strongest human. With orginal Japanese words such as: Answer:Freeza can control his battle power remember? 517 It seems that he(Chaozu who follows. However, regardless, he still trained and came to the decision that Chaozu "wouldn't be able to keep up" with the upcoming battle.All of that shows that Tenshinhan was at a respectable enough level to think he can keep up. It’s just a very powerful attack, that like all ki attacks if it is used too much will be detrimental to your health.Again you have been taken apart!!!!!obliterated!!!!!!! They fought alongsid… 5 years ago. Tien was the star student of Tsuru-Sen'nin, the long-time rival to Master Roshi. When it comes to battle, the most important thing is ki size, and its control. The little war machine bellow look pretty tough no? Now he patrols the town as a police officer. Now when he travelled to namek he mastered training in 100xG. 4,375. Vegeta going from less then 3 million to being able to dent #19's face had no effect on the Humans being outclassed?Answer:How is that if piccolo in just 6 days managed to surpass nail,all of them trained together there is no reason to believe that the humans didn't get an huge increase there like in the sayajin saga.Dumb MFG old theory:Your entire argument is assuming Piccolo got into the 100 millions. needs Tsuru-Sennin to use what he has learned with him. Remove those and they return to essentially normal human teenagers. He also brought up Dende; Is he now in the hundreds of millions too?Answer:Again with mindless shit fucking imbecile? In a world filled with impossibly strong androids and aliens like the Saiyans and Namekians, it can be tough for a regular human in that world of fighters. Other than that, those other levels shouldn't exist. Krillin fought with vegeta, nappa, freeza, cell, buu, etc and yamcha didn't fight nearly anybody. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Piccolo had to be darn powerful to impress nail. And when I mention training with Goku I mean the 3 years before the Cyborgs, not the 7 years after Cell's defeat.Answer:I'm trying to say that if the fusion with Nail is what made him increase so much during those 3 years, tell me why he couldn't keep up with Goku and Vegeta after a fusion with Kami and 7 years of training.Plus,Gohan who has more potential than Piccolo and trained with him and ssj Goku was miles away from Piccolo.Actually, Piccolo says that Gohan Krillin and Tenshinhan belong to the same branch of power,ie,several millions.Dumb MFG old theory:Which further backs up my stance that once you get used to one method it no longer becomes benificial (Ten's weighted clothing) and that it takes extreme training conditions to give these massive leaps of power. I think krillin is but i want to know. And when krillin was crapping his pants at freeza's battle power when he first saw him, his ki was as little as 1.5K. Considering Nail didn't ever bring anything about Namekian heritage or any other Nameks into the equation as he talked to Piccolo, it's a HUGE and retarded assumption to think he's comparing his battle power to them. The only one worth mentioning is Super Saiyan Goku.A power above 100% Freeza.Tenshinhan can make up any special training routines that would make a significant difference supported by the fact that Tenshinhanoutrights states that he will adapt Kaio's training to go along with his own training making him incredibly strong in the several millions.Once again, based on Tenshinhan's increases we see this:Before: Tenshinhan was weaker than Old DaimaoAfter 3 years: Tenshinhan became equal to Weighted Goku and stronger than old DaimaohThis is all after Tenshinhan trained under Karin for a bit and training with Chaozu. He is defeated by Krillin in Dragon Ball and after he and Tien Shinhan join the Z team, is relegated as a sideline character. Tenshin doesn't need his presence anymore,it is like saying that, he told the humans to split and train by themselves using what they have, Plus, Goku didn’t use kaio's aid or gravity to train in those 3 years (like, in both, heroes become strong enough to face the villains,simply,now the enemies are. Tien actually managed to blast away Super Buu's blast(a blast powerful enough to kill Goku). How Strong is Krillin Now Dragon Ball? Lets not forget that piccolo was most likely relaxed and lets not forget he had weighted clothes on when nail made his remark. 1. While defeating the off-brand model is nowhere near as impressive as the real deal, Krillin is stronger than a Bruce Lee. After all, as you pointed out, Piccolo and the Humans were rather close before he started took advantage of the Namek Fusion.Answer:I see it this way,if there isn't a fusion with nail and let's say piccolo has 150 millions after those 3 years.You just take from him 1 million,the power level he gained from the fusion with nail.There you go, piccolo without nail would have 149 millions.Finally, daizenshuu states that Shin Kikoho is a stronger version from the previous Kikoko and in the manga it isn't stated that he used life force,so if you add thisto the statement about goku saying that he needed to reach a pl of 3 millions to use kaioken x10 to avoid self destruction,ie, goku's body would explode.I cannot see how Tien's body (Ten uses an attack stronger than kaio ken x20) could sustain such a massive attack without explode himself to pieces considering that goku's body could explode with a weaker boost increase.Plus,You don't know how shin kikoho works,both are dangerous, both can kill you and daizenshuu clearly suggests that both follow similar principles if you think about ten's statements in kaio's planet about mixing kaio's teachings with his techniques everything is solved.Plus, Tenshinhan knows how much ki goku needed to use kaiokenx10 and he was not impressed.Basically, it makes all the sense that if you need 3 millions to use an attack who improves your power level 10times,shin kikoho who improves a lot more than 20 would force you to have a pl above that.Nail on Piccolo after 6 days on king kai:"You have an astonishing amount of power" and Piccolo basically agreed.This puts Piccolo above Nail after 6 days on king kais if you ask me. (laughs). The Dragon Ball Wiki says that Gohan was surprised at Tien's Tri-Beam's power, even though it didn't do much to Super Buu, so I'd assume that means Tien is stronger. On a plot of land deep in the mountains, the two of them immerse themselves in training. As for Oob, who is sometimes brought up in this argument of who the actual strongest human is, we really do not know if he is. Goku brought Ten up as possible replacement after Gohan got absorbed. ?By that point, that's not much of an increase at all. Since Nail's been living some of his life with a power of 42K, having a power of 42K or less is obviously "believable" to him.It's the same way with Post Rosat Gotenks when compared to his Pre RoSaT self. In accordance with the manga, Kuririn has had a drastic advantage over Tenshinhan after the Freeza arc, even without any proper training. Krillin is in supar far stronger than Tien, hell Tien didnt even have a hand to hand combat in the whole tournement. 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